Meeting started: 4/12/2023, 1:03:53 PM Duration: 62 minutes Participants: Clyde Forland, Jianjian M, Rebecca Yu
The good sample of block explorer that she shows during usability testing phase: https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin
00:00 Jianjian M: No. 00:33 Jianjian M: She says, she'll be using the other open a Google meet room because she really can't connect to this. And I'm going to send the room to you now. I run out of the Dakota but I have another transcript subscription. I will use the other. I'll be recording actually with myself. But ask her for her. Can connect to that meeting room. I'm already there. There, I'll just Knock that and I already sent this room to her. 01:41 Clyde Forland: Okay. 01:45 Jianjian M: Hopefully, she will be in very soon. 01:45 Jianjian M: Hi everyone, this is an automated message to let you know my Tactiq extension (https://tactiq.io/r/transcribing) is transcribing this meeting for me so I can give my full attention to you. 01:57 Jianjian M: Let's see. I will be talking to her for a while first, okay? 02:10 Clyde Forland: Okay, sounds good. 02:12 Jianjian M: From Chinese try to maintain English as many as much as possible. Hi Rebecca. Hello. and how it was interning on John and 02:24 Rebecca Yu: Hey. 02:26 Jianjian M: just one moment Chinese card, but he's always in fallout and you just 02:36 Rebecca Yu: Okay. 02:44 Jianjian M: Attention anyway, just suspiciously over the two online so she just take notes. 02:58 Rebecca Yu: oh, 03:01 Jianjian M: Are you open your father? So you just Clyde. 03:04 Rebecca Yu: okay. 03:08 Jianjian M: However, I 03:09 Rebecca Yu: Hi Clyde. 03:10 Jianjian M: I need, you know, she went down, 03:12 Rebecca Yu: oh, 03:24 Jianjian M: thank you. 03:25 Rebecca Yu: Okay. Huh. Okay, how okay? 03:26 Jianjian M: Okay. Yeah. Okay. Clyde, you can begin. 03:33 Clyde Forland: Alrighty. Hey, Rebecca, my name. How are you today? 03:36 Rebecca Yu: Agree. Hi. 03:38 Clyde Forland: Hi. My name is Clyde, like I'm sure his engine introduced me, but I will be here today to walk you through some, if I wanted to go ahead and give you some information, are you okay? If we go ahead and record this interview, even just the audio just 03:52 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, sure. 03:53 Clyde Forland: we can great awesome. 03:53 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. Yeah, perfectly. Yeah. 03:56 Clyde Forland: Great, thank you for your consent. All right, so let me go ahead and just give you a rundown of kind of what we're going through today. 04:02 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 04:02 Clyde Forland: Excuse me. So today I'll be conducting an interview and also a usability test about users and their experience particularly with Web 3 cryptocurrency and container. If you have that offer and then we'll be running through a usability test 04:20 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 04:20 Clyde Forland: with our website. Just to make sure that or with the prototype that we have just so that we can get some feedback and we can know how to give it to our designers on the back end. Are you ready to get started? 04:31 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. Yeah. 04:34 Clyde Forland: All right. Sweet are great. So a couple of just basic questions for you. What is your gender? 04:40 Rebecca Yu: Female. 04:42 Clyde Forland: And how old are you? 04:44 Rebecca Yu: 29. 04:46 Clyde Forland: And what is your occupation? 04:49 Rebecca Yu: I do I'm a crypto investor that I do investment research on different crypto startups. 04:57 Clyde Forland: Oh great. So it sounds like you definitely have a good under or so you do this like professionally it sounds like maybe all day. 05:08 Rebecca Yu: Like half day that I've managed to 05:10 Clyde Forland: Okay, that's so great. 05:12 Rebecca Yu: keep my workloading half day. 05:16 Clyde Forland: Oh, that's really great. That means I'm really excited to explore and see what kind of knowledge that you have to give us what's your marital status. 05:25 Rebecca Yu: Single. 05:26 Clyde Forland: And last question for you, Demographic-wise? What's your nationality or, or your current resident place? 05:33 Rebecca Yu: originally, I'm from China, but I've stayed like extensive ears in the US and locate in Sydney right now, 05:43 Clyde Forland: Oh cool, that's great. Well I always loved talking to different people from different parts of the world that always kind of gives me a little bit of this inside of how other people operate and think they're really enjoyed that. All right, so let's go ahead and type. Let's go ahead and dive into the main questions. So what are some of the activities 06:02 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 06:03 Clyde Forland: that you have in cryptocurrency training and also what motivated you to perform these activities? 06:11 Rebecca Yu: so I usually when I trade there was a period of time probably back in 2019 earlier 21, I was doing a lot of What was it called? Um, Future tradings. Yes and and, but after that, I thought that's not Trading style, that works for me, personality and lifestyle wise. And right now, I've only just like, five bitcoin or a serum every once in a while when the Price, drop down. 06:50 Clyde Forland: Okay, you said a little bit that you know, with your lifestyle can you tell me a little bit about what that lifestyle like looked like, was it like really like nose to the grind. Explain it a little bit. 07:03 Rebecca Yu: Are so back to that. It was pretty nice to the grind and I think right on I feel that's no sustainable. And I think that works like a lot. With that's like a huge reflection of personality because personally I'm super chill person that I'm not. The type of person who is like um I'm on top of my work but I'm not on top of like trading and earning every since that I could. 07:34 Rebecca Yu: So for me like Being trading every day and reading all this chaotic new stay on Twitter, like, 24 hours is destructive to my mental health, and I feel eventually like too much information actually made me to make worse trading decisions. Because there's so much information out there and you get like this anxiety, like, Oh my God, there's a war in your current and your mind just like exploded. 07:59 Rebecca Yu: So Not just like that's just me but I I other friends who they do narrative trading that that used to time differences. Like there's a new narrative, it's emerging in America and the next morning the price. So the price went up and then the next morning, The like East Asia Market wakes up. So I know a lot of people who are staying on top of different narratives and I've teas or like random token like small token Mimi coins and they just arby trash that time and that product difference 08:34 Clyde Forland: Mmm. 08:36 Rebecca Yu: caused by time. So they're on top of everything and they're really aggressive. People who wants to. Get ever since out of the market. So I think that's a huge personality difference like I'm super chill. Like, I don't need It's nice to have more money but on the other hand like health and like just peace in the mind is more important for me personally. 09:03 Clyde Forland: Hmm, I absolutely couldn't, thank you 09:03 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 09:05 Clyde Forland: for sharing that and I couldn't agree more, you know, as we get older we kind of experience that excuse me. I don't know what is in my throat this morning. 09:13 Rebecca Yu: Oh, 09:14 Clyde Forland: But I totally, I totally agree with you that, that mental sustainability is really important. Now, I do hear that, you know, that you do, since you're really chill in that, you do you do trading from time to time, are there is there any other 09:27 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 09:29 Clyde Forland: NFT training that you may do like on the side or in tandem with this? 09:36 Rebecca Yu: I don't think I'm active Trader because if, if you trade, you buy a new cell, right? And then you, that's how I define trading. You professionally buy in the professional cell and there's a strategy going on there and I'm more of the collector. If I say something that I like I would buy it and if I say a artist work is really breath and it was me, I would buy it but not necessarily sell it. 10:06 Clyde Forland: Okay, and when you, when you buy that in your interested in it, is it more that you want to support or is it kind of just like all the like support the artist or just like you said, I kind of just want to have this to my collection. 10:21 Rebecca Yu: ah, both I think because to be honest, like if you try the artist, I follow a couple of our artists on Twitter and if you track their performances, you just say like I like, Mmm, this is nice but the next one is probably not nice. Like it's not always good but I only would participate the ones that I like. So it's so I'm tracking them. Probably I'm supporting, but I'm won't up but I don't want to get anything that I don't like. 10:52 Rebecca Yu: So it's also like, I want to have a cute stuff in my collection. 10:59 Clyde Forland: and then, 10:59 Rebecca Yu: Just like randomly supporting because like money doesn't come free, right? 11:04 Clyde Forland: It's not even though these things are really like I'm sure the cute and really visually appealing. You're like this does cost real money somewhere in life. 11:12 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 11:13 Clyde Forland: Okay great, thank you for explaining that a little bit talking about 11:13 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 11:17 Clyde Forland: tokens. Now how do you choose a token to buy and can you kind of talk me through your process as a collector of how you do that? 11:25 Rebecca Yu: As a collector or a crypto investor, or like a personal. 11:29 Clyde Forland: Actually. Hmm. That is a really good question. Can? I would love to hear all three. If you could just like a little shorts and bits, I like with the most pertinent information, that would be great. 11:42 Rebecca Yu: okay, so from an investor perspective, I would spend a lot of time researching like the white papers and that's not what I spend the most time on the, I spent a lot of time on diving into their community because personally, I 12:01 Clyde Forland: Okay. 12:02 Rebecca Yu: think to be honest, the majority of most crypto startups. And of badly. I think because if you look through a bunch of token economics, look at their like white papers. It would say, a bunch of them are pretty repetitive and the really good ones are really rare and So what made me believe in a product is that they have a real and solid community. It's It's like they're active talking and in the discord, and there's content. 12:41 Rebecca Yu: Not just like Good morning, Good night. It's like they're actually talking about the project, like, What is the executable six planning? This like asking questions to the community members. cuz Like there's real content there, or You would say a bunch of really by followers to Twitter and sport and 13:00 Clyde Forland: Mm-hmm. 13:01 Rebecca Yu: they have a great number, but if you look into the content is like random s***. So, 13:08 Clyde Forland: Absolutely. 13:08 Rebecca Yu: so I would spend a lot of time to scroll up the entire talk and to see whether there's a real engagement there because I think in Crypto and Web 3 consensus, which is People believe, believe people believe in this, they believe this something that says, that is what actually valuable in the market because it takes time and education to onboard a bunch of people to believe in what you are doing. 13:40 Rebecca Yu: I think if they're 13:41 Clyde Forland: Absolutely. 13:42 Rebecca Yu: They're successful in doing that, they're more likely to be successful and I also do take a look at the number of their team. If it's only like five, six, they're probably it's hard to be big. Because stuff take time to be down and take human effort to read down. And if like five to six people, they cannot manage it. Global huge project. I'm at least start with like 10 15, 14:12 Clyde Forland: Mm-hmm. 14:14 Rebecca Yu: and then gradually grow up to like 30, 40. That's a That's a good size. Like if there's five people, they can just disappear in the Internet. Oh, that's another thing that I would look at as an investor, so personally I would probably only buy a serum or bitcoin. Because those two are they really this centralized property because the majority of coins are pretty centralized like them. Magnitude manipulated by product group, that's like five or six people but I might sounds a little bit negative but as an investor I get to see a lot of like decks like every day. 15:02 Rebecca Yu: After you go through a lot of them is really hard to be optimistic. When you see when maybe like, After 20 decks, there's the one good one and if you 15:16 Clyde Forland: Mmm. 15:17 Rebecca Yu: Do more due diligence you figure. That's not actually reliable and you're waiting for the next one. So, Yeah. And for a collector is more personal preference and also I would look into long-term tracking. 15:33 Rebecca Yu: Like whether this artist has the capability to consistently produce meaningful outward Not just like, this is a trend. I did the trend and then I made like 100 either and that's it. That's like not, um, sustainable. I would look at. their work? Do they are they implying anything in Are they expression, expressing anything, are they? I especially enjoy political content. Because personal is political. And that's what I really look for in the artist work and do they have Do they have a style? That's establish a unique and not. Just like copying from others. 16:20 Rebecca Yu: That's something that I would look at. Yeah. 16:22 Clyde Forland: Okay, great. Wow, thank you so much for your perspective. And you know, I really do appreciate, you know, how you go through content personally and how you can not just look at things. Like, of course, like you want things that are in your collection are nice, but you look at the intention and the detail inside of that and that and I something as a as a creator and something in. Somebody myself, who can kind of relate that is really enriching to hear that perspective. So thank you for explaining that. 16:50 Clyde Forland: Um, so I kind of hurt a little bit, you know, some of the concerns that you have when it comes to buying a token. how that community engages is really I hear that trust and community and important to you before you engage in the market, but what other concerns or worries do you have any additional ones? Besides, when we talked about when it comes to buying the coin or or sorry? When it comes to buying a token, my bad. Sorry. 17:17 Clyde Forland: When it comes to buying a token, what are some of your other concerns if you have any? 17:21 Rebecca Yu: Being rugged. 17:23 Clyde Forland: Okay. 17:26 Rebecca Yu: like, 17:26 Clyde Forland: Is that the? 17:28 Rebecca Yu: I got. I wasn't badly wrong but I was a rugged like five person a couple of years ago so that what not a big loss but after that I became really cautious. So in especially during like for me and stuff, we have to buy another token and they have to Do do double stake, like steak and stable point steak, they're native token. And then that's how you earn a control flight yield and then I was doing that pretty happily and then I got rocked. So a security. 18:06 Rebecca Yu: I would summarize that too as security and safety concerns. Yeah. 18:10 Clyde Forland: I totally understand. So would you say um that that rugged or that situation from a couple years ago, has motivated you to be a little bit more? Clear about your like, how you've explained today about your process and Sorry. 18:25 Rebecca Yu: Definitely. Yeah. 18:28 Clyde Forland: Great. Okay. And I'm 18:29 Rebecca Yu: and I think, and I think that country also affect my Perspective, because we've been talking a lot about, you know, losing trust and centralized institution, banking problems, and all this. Crazy stuff in the real world but on the other hand like people get scammed or like rocked every day. Like every second on blockchain too. So That's one really reluctant and starting to learn how to use a ledger and how to like yeah basically. Yeah. 19:04 Rebecca Yu: Store the value of my heart, earn money. 19:09 Clyde Forland: Exactly. And we work and we work really hard. Like, I'm sure now as as adults we really do work hard for that money. 19:17 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 19:18 Clyde Forland: Great. Great pivot. Question to go into the next part. Um, what kind of blockchain explorers or analytics tools? Are you currently using or that you usually use? 19:29 Rebecca Yu: Just all the skins like the easier, skins BSC scans. All the skins. 19:37 Clyde Forland: Okay, perfect. 19:38 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 19:39 Clyde Forland: And to get, I would to get a better understanding. Would you mind showing me, your desktop screen and can you kind of just walk me through of what you or how you use those analytical tools? Of course, share, nothing personal. But I would love to see how you kind of work through the blockchain or work through any of the analytics or work through those scans just to kind of see what are some of the really important things that you do? Take a look at? Would you be okay with that? 20:07 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, let me see. Okay, this one. Yep. Is there this is a. Can you see it? 20:21 Clyde Forland: I can see a great thank you. 20:23 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, so normally what I do. Let me just, I usually start with a address that I searched. So for instance let me just copy one really quick here. 20:40 Clyde Forland: Okay. 20:43 Rebecca Yu: So this is a address that I've been looking at for a while. Um, I got this address from Foundation App. The FD trading platform. And this is, this guy is one of their top. Collectors for last month. I think so huge. A serum balance. and you see, The. 21:14 Clyde Forland: Wow. 21:15 Rebecca Yu: Have different tokens and you see that all this transactions and empties and analytics. So the two tops that I three tasks that I use the most is first sister transactions where I can see what's going on. But the annoying part of this is that I have to scroll down like if I want to look for a specific transaction within this address. I have to like scroll down. 21:49 Rebecca Yu: So for instance, if I saw him bought a ft on Twitter, like he posted the picture right? And then no, it's from open saying, know what is it called? But I don't know when he bought it. So I have like, scroll down and like, open up every single one and fun. That find that picture. 22:06 Clyde Forland: Oh dear. 22:09 Rebecca Yu: Oh, this one doesn't, this one doesn't have picture. So that's um, the part that drives me. Does a lot when I'm doing an after research. Let's just see. yes, I if I want to find an after you have to like go in there like clicking and see and pack whether he's the actual owner, 22:33 Clyde Forland: Got it. Okay in 22:36 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, and the other tab that I use a lot is The yeah. So this is the, you can see all of this. And after you transfers and all this like token transfers, Analytics is to one that I look at you, so you can see whether he has been active or not during the past, like two months or so. And you can see the number of transactions. I think this definitely like implies something because back to like February and late January enough to like artists and after was pretty popular, and right, it's cool down a little bit so you definitely see. 23:23 Rebecca Yu: There's a reduce number of 23:23 Clyde Forland: Okay. 23:24 Rebecca Yu: attractions and First, I don't know how to use this. And they say I'm transferred token transfer. yeah, so that's what I use and And something that I would love is to. So, for instance, something I would love to see is that so from here, you can see like Rebecca this exchange foundation and this is like, open sea and I would love to see something like, How many percentage of the transaction goes into which trading platform? 24:08 Clyde Forland: Hmm. Okay. 24:12 Rebecca Yu: and, and maybe I can sort like, Gave me like a time frame here that I can sort and yeah, just like making more convenient that I don't have to click into and to see exactly what's going on here and whether this is successful. So yeah, I I did spend a lot of time and during past researchers, I do spend a lot of time, just like going through every single transaction to find a address or like find a hash or like find the exact. 24:52 Rebecca Yu: So, for instance, that you don't buy with stable coins, you purchase with a serum and in order to book to bookkeeping the Prophet of the invested fund, I have to like, go deep there and check the time when was that transaction was made? And how much if there was worse backed in that like an hour and so, yeah, I have nothing to complain about but it's like it really Time consuming process as an analyst that I have to go through. 25:27 Clyde Forland: Wow, thank you so much for giving giving me a deep dive of how that looked. So um really quick question for you because I hear a lot, you know, I would like it to look this way. Do you have like a maybe a website or product that you use that organizes data a little bit better? Even if it's not completely related to Cryptocurrency and trading, It can be maybe like Amazon, or maybe something specifically, like, there's a layout or feature. 25:54 Clyde Forland: How would you make it better personally for you? Like, no constraints. How would you make it? Maybe you want it to look. 26:03 Rebecca Yu: Oh gosh. I haven't actually done any in-depth research other than stuff crypto. 26:06 Clyde Forland: Yeah. Okay. 26:09 Rebecca Yu: What I did when I when I analyze um and fps and stuff, I just go to their website and download a web scrapper which is a chrome. It's a chrome adults that you can just Scrap data out of the website and then I do and then I do put it on 26:28 Clyde Forland: Got it. 26:31 Rebecca Yu: Excel and process by myself to make it look a little bit better. 26:36 Clyde Forland: Perfect. Okay, great. Last question. Oh man, it was such a good question for you. If I remember it, I will come back to it. It was a follow-up question. It wasn't necessarily documented. 26:49 Rebecca Yu: Okay. 26:50 Clyde Forland: I'm so sorry. Okay. Um, let's let's take a look now. Thank you, seriously, for sharing your screen. You can go ahead and stop sharing if you're like and then we'll go ahead. We have two more sections. I want to ask you a little bit more 27:02 Rebecca Yu: So yeah. 27:02 Clyde Forland: about Cadena and then I would like to walk you through the usability, testing on our of our website just to 27:07 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 27:08 Clyde Forland: make sure everything is good. So first container question for you is, do you know cabana and or the currency cadena, and if you do, what kind of activities do you use with it? 27:21 Rebecca Yu: Honestly, I know it is something big, but I've never used it. 27:24 Clyde Forland: Okay. 27:26 Rebecca Yu: I'm not actually use it. Yeah. 27:29 Clyde Forland: Okay, great. And let me go. I just remember the question I want to go back really quick. So, you know, talking about the layout and making sure that you get the information super quick. My biggest fear that I have maybe like just as a designer is that, you know, if we go into or we tell them like Hey we want to change the layout, would that personally would you think there would be any type of Would it make you feel less? Trusted that, you know, you're not using like the highest product because all the scans, I feel like fall a very certain way of how the layout looks. 28:03 Clyde Forland: But if we change that does that create distrust for you? Or maybe like, I don't think I should use this. Can you walk me through or can you kind of explain how that would make you feel a little bit? 28:14 Rebecca Yu: um, I think keep the majority of that thing, but like do some tweaks at the point where that a noise people. So, like, make it. Slightly better. But don't do any drastic changes. Like, maybe, like if like, 80% of the 28:34 Clyde Forland: Okay. 28:36 Rebecca Yu: layout, the same, but maybe add a few, maybe a few filter functions and a few. Like maybe, like, maybe just like Keep The analytics and the add more options like what people can do with analytics. So like yeah, like drastic changes will definitely make people feel like scared and they have to spend extra time to learn how to use you explore. But yeah like people love great, small things. 29:04 Rebecca Yu: And if this something that can make their life a lot easier, they definitely like pop up like really quickly. 29:10 Clyde Forland: Okay, great, awesome. Thank you. I just wanted to catch that really quick because, you know, I'm hearing that trust and Validation and making sure and I know how important that is to you as a trader. So I want to make sure that you know that same trust is being built. No matter what the layout can be 29:26 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 29:26 Clyde Forland: perfect. Okay. Back to katana have you use any blockchain explorers with Cadena? 29:33 Rebecca Yu: No, actually not. 29:35 Clyde Forland: Okay. Um, Trying to think about it as this next question. What Blockchain explores Do you use? 29:48 Rebecca Yu: The skins. 29:49 Clyde Forland: Oh sorry, I'm sorry that that I'm okay. So I'm tracking like I'm connecting as I go along my bed. Okay. And we have kind of talked about that in the analytics and you know how to improve that. So I'm really clear on that. Hmm, okay, great. I am going to, are you okay? Do you need a break or anything or you feeling good for the next part? 30:12 Rebecca Yu: No, I'm good. 30:13 Clyde Forland: Okay, great. 30:13 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 30:14 Clyde Forland: I'm going to take a quick sip of my tea to get my brain ready to go. What I'm going to do for you in the meantime is that I am gonna share a link with you inside of the chat and 30:23 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 30:24 Clyde Forland: it will take you to the the prototype 30:24 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 30:27 Clyde Forland: of what we had don't click anything yet so I can kind of walk you through the breakdown and we'll go from there. 30:33 Rebecca Yu: Okay, cool. 30:35 Clyde Forland: All right. How are you feeling so far today? How do you feel about the the interview or How do you feel? I know it's evening time for you in your part of the world. But how are you doing? 30:43 Rebecca Yu: You have to wake up early for this. 30:46 Clyde Forland: What? Well, actually I don't have to wake up early, currently and like, outside of working on this project. I'm actually a teacher and I wake up 30:53 Clyde Forland: Link to the clickable prototype for usability testing : https://www.figma.com/proto/9E6RdS7Atpbj30tznpi2VH/K_Block_analytical_Platform-Low-Fi-and-Hi-Fi?node-id=2224-38940&scaling=scale-down&page-id=1849%3A22035&starting-point-node-id=2224%3A38940&show-proto-sidebar=1 30:55 Clyde Forland: at 5 o'clock in the morning every day. 30:58 Rebecca Yu: Oh wow. 30:59 Clyde Forland: So, Time is not a big deal and I'm sure the rest of the members. I'm This. 31:09 Rebecca Yu: Oh I got this is something that I should work. Kind of like wake up early because like being in this industry, I can't sleep early. 31:18 Clyde Forland: It's hard. And then you think about all the other things? I trust me it's it's a love-hate relationship. It is loving purely. 31:26 Rebecca Yu: But yeah. 31:26 Clyde Forland: All righty. Do you have that link open and ready to go? 31:30 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 31:31 Clyde Forland: Okay, great. Can you go ahead and also show your screen with it? And while we are working through it, I would really love to hear your thoughts out loud. Regardless if they're positive or negative, there's nothing. This is really going to help us and also our design team make those tweaks. So that way, we can, really build that really clear interested platform that you're looking for. 31:53 Rebecca Yu: Oh, Sigma. Or this particles, okay. 32:05 Clyde Forland: All right, sweet. Let me All right. So the one thing that I wanted to explain to you really quick and it sounds like you have a little bit of knowledge about figma. I heard that you know like Figma um specifically with this. 32:20 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 32:21 Clyde Forland: This prototype is super limited. There's not a whole lot to click on and I say that to say, You know, sometimes when we use this, it can be like, Oh, like I eat, it's it's good that you that we're interacting with something familiar, but of course, we're still making those tweaks and 32:35 Rebecca Yu: Mmm. 32:35 Clyde Forland: changes to get everything to flow the right way. 32:39 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 32:41 Clyde Forland: If you look on the left hand side, there's the flows and there will be Task 1. Task 2 Test 3. And I'll, I'll tell you each time to click through those and then I have a prompt for you. And like I said, just get everything that you're thinking so we can have a really clear idea of what's going on. 32:57 Rebecca Yu: Okay. 32:58 Clyde Forland: All right. Great. You're on task one. Let's go ahead and start. So you. So you have requested on this page, you have requested a transaction ID of a previous trend act of previous transaction specifically with Kate with a kdx token. I would like you to find a way to check out that kdx token. 33:24 Rebecca Yu: Oh, we were Kate DX token. 33:27 Clyde Forland: Yes, I would like let me rephrase it and if I am extend, if something is off here because I feel like maybe I might need a little guidance in here. That would be greatly appreciated so the last so let me the repeated you are you have a transaction ID. And what you are doing is that you want to figure out more about that, the kdx token, that's specifically goes with that transaction ID. 33:56 Rebecca Yu: So I would have access to it transaction ID. Connect, can I have that? 34:06 Clyde Forland: Hmm. 34:07 Jianjian M: Imagine that you actually already 34:07 Clyde Forland: This 34:09 Jianjian M: have that ID. And what you? 34:12 Rebecca Yu: also, just I will just put that ID and search right here. That transaction ID were like I would just theoretically search the token. But I I don't think I can do anything here. Can I? Yeah. Usually what I do is I would if I know a transaction hash or I have a token that I want to search, I will start from here and then they will pop up bunch of information here like usually A transaction hat, transaction. 34:49 Rebecca Yu: Hash I would have like time and I was able to see time and when there's a happen and went into which address and if they and if it's a I search it by tokens name, I would be able to see like the token. And a lot of links here was Oh no, that's actually a coin coin gecko. But I like that. Like if I search a token I can see the tokens name and then yes, of course, like all this circulating supply, all this like Stats. 35:26 Rebecca Yu: And I would also love to see like The. The token contract and Their Twitter, their website, all this information listed here and maybe like a brief introduction. Like What is this? Something like that. Yeah. 35:44 Jianjian M: You have never used the Drop Down 35:44 Clyde Forland: Okay. 35:46 Jianjian M: menu next to the search bar. And when you are doing search, the Drop Down menu that you just pass through several times next to the search bar. Yeah, you never use that when you are using those scans of Bitcoin or BMB. 36:04 Rebecca Yu: No very rare. I I rarely use that actually 36:11 Jianjian M: So actually, would you please press the Request key? 36:17 Rebecca Yu: Wait, we're on this one. 36:20 Jianjian M: Yeah. And then click on that search bar. And then you can proceed. Yeah. 36:33 Rebecca Yu: I see, okay. um, 36:37 Jianjian M: And Clyde, please go on. 36:39 Clyde Forland: Great. Thank you so much Jenna for inter I know I was missing something so Rebecca getting. Um thank you for walking through that piece. Tell me a little So Jenkins also explained like you don't use the filter, can you tell, Maybe he explained maybe what was going through your head when looking through that process even? It was like, Where the hell is this button? Like what they, well, what can you explain kind of what was going through your head? 37:04 Rebecca Yu: so, the reason why I don't use this right, so, normally when I go on a blog explore, I would have a clear A clear goal of what I'm looking for. So either, an address either a tokens name, or in transaction, hash So what I would just have that information already and the copy and paste. 37:35 Rebecca Yu: I wouldn't. Go here. And Build her things. 37:41 Clyde Forland: Got it, okay. Now, going back to this page, what what about this page or? What are some things that you like, maybe that you would change? Or because I know you said, you would, like information. Is this the information that you're looking for? 37:58 Rebecca Yu: Let me see. Oh, this is so small. Our last kitchen and action sender receiver. I like this part. This looks pretty clear. I don't have to click from here and to get the address. So I like that there and Receivers account is clearly laid out value gas free. This looks pretty normal. Blockhead Transaction. Oh would you like to Oh this is a contract address. Right? The tokens contract address. 38:42 Jianjian M: It's a, it's a it's a transaction. The hash. 38:46 Rebecca Yu: All the harsh. Okay. So I Oh okay, so if this is just just the transaction hash the pretty happy with the information that I'm seeing but if Maybe round it. It just rounded corner. This here. If the layout could be a little bit prettier, that would be greatly appreciated. Just yeah. 39:16 Clyde Forland: Okay. 39:17 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 39:19 Clyde Forland: Perfect. And I know you said it is a little small. If you do click those, those little arrows, I think they expand arrows, it might be a bigger. I'm sorry. On the top next to options that might be better option for you. 39:32 Rebecca Yu: It's getting smaller. Oh, I don't know why. 39:35 Clyde Forland: I don't. Okay, I mean maybe probably all maybe because of this sharing capabilities to it might be something with the 39:41 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 39:41 Clyde Forland: screen. Okay great. All right let's go ahead and is there 39:42 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 39:44 Clyde Forland: anything additional that you would like to include about this page? 39:49 Rebecca Yu: I know this is pretty good for the hash. Yeah. 39:52 Clyde Forland: Okay. Sweet. 39:53 Jianjian M: Well, Mom. 39:53 Clyde Forland: Let's 39:54 Jianjian M: One moment gives me. Excuse me. Rebecca because you just now you mentioned that you you'd like to delay out to be more prettier. In which sense that you think it's not pretty enough? 40:13 Rebecca Yu: I think this blue is a little bit bright. 40:17 Jianjian M: Okay. 40:17 Rebecca Yu: like this blue is a little bit, maybe like, Muted a little bit. 40:24 Jianjian M: Okay. 40:24 Rebecca Yu: And I think, The spaces between. I feel the spacing is a little bit awkward in the, in the boxes. 40:36 Jianjian M: Awkward in which sense. 40:39 Rebecca Yu: I, I think I can see why the designer has made this choices, like all line up. I feel this one. I just feel empty, you know, here. 40:56 Jianjian M: Okay. 40:59 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, feel empty. 41:00 Clyde Forland: so that 41:01 Rebecca Yu: Like yeah. Keep keep going. Sorry, I interrupted you. 41:06 Clyde Forland: No no you're totally fine so that empty space so that empty space may be something kind of looking for less white space. Maybe things to be a little bit more hugged. 41:17 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 41:18 Clyde Forland: Okay. Sorry Ginger, I wanted to ask that 41:20 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 41:20 Clyde Forland: question. 41:22 Jianjian M: And just one more thing we'd like you to check out the details of the kdx token on this page. Could you please find that? 41:35 Clyde Forland: Mmm, thank you. 41:38 Rebecca Yu: Contractual transfer account transfer. Transitional, Trading Volume Website. So shows categories. Market. Black supply. it's your like another indicator, like, Um, is current supply that current circulating supply rate. 42:06 Jianjian M: This is ambiguous to you the current supply. 42:10 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. Because there might be supplied a lot but not all the release tokens are in the market for now are like yeah. well, let me just open up coin gecko because they have however, I think coin gecko all this trading platform is a Good reference. Let me just shy. Can I screen share it to another? 42:57 Jianjian M: Here. Like 43:03 Rebecca Yu: A screenshot. Because if this, I feel is a pretty good all-in-one information. Right here. 43:22 Clyde Forland: Oh wow. I can see the difference what you're talking about. Kind of just like the space and the subtlety. Okay. 43:29 Rebecca Yu: and you can see, like, Everything here and they have this like little. Like, if you don't know what this, this means they have explanation here and circling his supply total supply next to supply. And this indicators means different things and some matters for some project as some doesn't matter for other projects. So it's really different Chinese. Nice, that they lay out the explanations here. And yeah and I really like that. 44:00 Rebecca Yu: There's everything that we can find is all you want. 44:08 Clyde Forland: and this is, 44:08 Jianjian M: Ah I do like paste the the dress of 44:08 Clyde Forland: 44:11 Jianjian M: this webpage on the comment section of this meeting. 44:14 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 44:16 Jianjian M: Thank you. 44:18 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, nothing besides the block explorers. Coin gecko is something that I used the most a daily basis. 44:25 Rebecca Yu: https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin 44:28 Jianjian M: Uh-huh, thank you so much. 44:29 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 44:31 Jianjian M: so that 44:31 Clyde Forland: Hmm. Great. 44:33 Rebecca Yu: And okay. Back to the. The Other tab. Tab. Thick. Oh, I like it here. Like the different colors. And the status reminds me of notions. 44:53 Jianjian M: where the tax? 44:56 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, there are different colored tabs. That makes me feel really comfortable. 45:02 Clyde Forland: That's really good. 45:02 Jianjian M: Thank you. 45:03 Clyde Forland: That's great to hear. 45:05 Rebecca Yu: And maybe like a little bit narrower. like, Because I mean like why it looks comfortable but like narrower, you can squeeze more transaction in one page. That's more convenient for doing research. 45:22 Clyde Forland: Perfect. Alrighty, that was a mate. Thank you so much for your perspective. Thank you for thinking out loud. And for, for sharing. Those also, those additional resources and I to have the comparison side by side is also really impressive. Let's move on to task number two. So go ahead and go to the navigate to the left hand side and click that number two. All right. So here's what I would like to walk you through for the second task and then we have one more after that and then we'll be all concluded for today. 45:50 Clyde Forland: So you are a minor and you want to check the details of a block that was just mine such as as it's time and location. So is, can you find a block and then that was just mined and then check for this time and location. 46:11 Rebecca Yu: Oh my God. I feel this is out of my expertise because I've never been a minor before. 46:17 Clyde Forland: Okay. 46:17 Rebecca Yu: Of. Yeah, this is I don't know how to do this. 46:22 Clyde Forland: Okay. Can, let's scroll to the bottom of this page. And this. So over here on the left hand side, it says the height I would like for you to click and just any one of those transactions that were there and then just to kind of come back I would like for you to find the time and the location of the block that you just mind or that was a that was just one. 46:56 Rebecca Yu: Time and location is what is location mean in this context? 47:07 Clyde Forland: Didn't. I think she might have a better idea because now I'm like location. What do you think about location? Is that something for, I know you said, Mining is something that you haven't done before but what would you think? Mining is just on top of your head. I mean, sorry, location. 47:26 Rebecca Yu: I, 47:26 Clyde Forland: Locations are location off the top of your head. 47:30 Rebecca Yu: Like, were you talking about location? I, I think about this. 47:34 Clyde Forland: Okay. 47:38 Rebecca Yu: And I, I sort of know, like the I have like a basic knowledge of the how the infrastructure would look like blocked by block and how the constances work block by blog. 47:53 Clyde Forland: Okay. 47:53 Rebecca Yu: You think about when you talk about Location. I would think of like, where does that block located in? A. In the chin. And so something like this. 48:09 Jianjian M: Okay, cool. 48:10 Clyde Forland: Okay. 48:11 Jianjian M: Actually that, that's it, that's it. 48:11 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 48:13 Clyde Forland: Perfect. Yeah. I I totally agree. So the one so staying on this task with that location and the time being in mind, you want to check your wallet in your address or your account, the details from the minor in this block. 48:33 Rebecca Yu: Oh, transaction. Hash Here, right? This is a public key. Oh, 48:53 Clyde Forland: And then with this with this, with these details, you want to check your address or your account. 49:05 Rebecca Yu: my address. 49:06 Jianjian M: It's not, I'm sorry Rebecca it's not your account, it's just the miners account, the wallet. 49:17 Rebecca Yu: Wait, I feel this is really out of my Realm of knowledge. I've never mind before. So 49:30 Jianjian M: And how let's say, How do you feel about this page? Let's say that. This is actually the the wallet overview. It's a public ledger. So you are seeing the wallet of that minor. And how do you feel about this page overall? The layout and the information that is presented here. 49:53 Rebecca Yu: So I because of now our mind before. So I don't have a comparison in this, but I would feel is yeah the same problem of a wide. Like the spacing is a little bit too big for me. That makes me feel that. I Would love to see more information with in one page, but I like this part a lot. The. 50:26 Jianjian M: Uh, and why why you feel like that? 50:32 Rebecca Yu: Because I can like see like total received total scent. I have a good summary of what's going on in this wallet. 50:40 Jianjian M: Mm-hmm. 50:40 Rebecca Yu: Like you have a breakdown, you have. So you have the percentage, you have to break down, you have the Total volume probably like volume over here. And you know it takes oh can I open this? No. Okay. 51:05 Jianjian M: Not yet, it's not only designed yet. 51:11 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, I feel like I like a visual explanation of what's going on. like this is The the pie chart is sweet. 51:22 Jianjian M: Thank you. 51:24 Clyde Forland: Awesome. And thank you for going out of your comfort zone. I know you said mining is kind of out of your experience, but thank you so much for engaging with us in that, that was really awesome. All right, let's go into task number three and kind of wrap up and get your final thoughts and we should be all taken care of. So, I would like you to go through 51:41 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 51:44 Clyde Forland: the clickable screens that are on task three and just give just any other additional any feedback about them about the details, the spacing, or the layout. So again anything that is clickable on this page just to kind of give us a little bit more information of what could be changed or what you enjoy. 52:07 Rebecca Yu: Okay. 52:09 Clyde Forland: And this in this I wanted to tell you this page is super limited on what you can engage in content wise a more. So the layout the layout of how 52:16 Rebecca Yu: Okay. 52:18 Clyde Forland: things are placed in the information that is there 52:23 Rebecca Yu: I will say, I feel the boo is a little bit bright. And I feel this blue makes me feel more comfortable, but this is a 52:35 Clyde Forland: Mm-hmm. 52:36 Rebecca Yu: bride to be used in a Large space, like the entire background. So the bright for me. maybe the logo can be bigger for the token, like Yeah, like this part like this a cute logo like it. The bigger, the better. And yes. Still like the space, maybe like rearranging the spacing only because I feel, The whitespace, keep making me feel get the impression that there's not enough information. 53:12 Rebecca Yu: But or like lack of information, but 53:14 Clyde Forland: Okay. 53:16 Rebecca Yu: they're Our information, it's just more spread it out, so maybe like make the logo, be bigger, maybe make the um, the the picture a little bit bigger, but like, Shrink the size of this boxes, and Make the the words, the wording more compacted and this looks pretty good. Can I go to an empty? No. Oh, okay. 53:51 Clyde Forland: Yeah no this I did. I thought the same thing with this task? It's it's super limited. We're kind of just focused on. What is a the information that you're receiving in the layout of what's going on here? 54:07 Rebecca Yu: Let me actually just go to the wait a second. Oh wait. Let me. Yeah. so, this is, The majority of the color is blue, right? And I know blue is a Good neutral color, but Wouldn't it be helpful if you? Change it to be more reflective of containers. Same color like the purples and the pinks and the blue but make it like really muted in that way. 55:03 Rebecca Yu: I will be reminded that I'm Look at it, block, explore on this blockchain but not either skin. 55:12 Clyde Forland: Totally. Okay, got it. So just a clear a clear distinction, that's a little bit different but also that goes with the branding in the color scheme that it that container provides, is that what I'm hearing? 55:24 Rebecca Yu: Yes because yeah because I feel for me, that's really important. You, I wrote a like a branding like Step-by-step guide for like Crypto 55:32 Clyde Forland: Hmm. 55:33 Rebecca Yu: startups and that's something that I emphasize a lot. If If you, if you want me to be a lawyer customer, if you want me to wait to be a regular user, you have to make me remember what you are doing, right? And how to achieve that is just like the brand assets like just use a repetitively. And yeah, so for me like I would yeah I want to see like some more purple and pinks and stuff but also muted not too bright because this blue is like bright. Or maybe like half transparent. 56:05 Rebecca Yu: So it's like you have a hint of that color but not too overwhelming or not and not too distracting from the information right here. 56:15 Clyde Forland: Totally great. Um, I went, I would love to see that. I don't know if it's like a medium article or anything, but we would love to hold on to that and just kind of keep it just because I really do appreciate the perspective of the trust that you're looking for in a platform. And if you have access to it or be willing to share it, we would love to take a look at it just to kind of see 56:37 Rebecca Yu: Oh, you mean the branding thing? 56:39 Clyde Forland: Oh yes. Yes yes. 56:41 Rebecca Yu: I I have I've written it in. I wrote it in Chinese. 56:48 Clyde Forland: That's okay, we'll make it work. 56:48 Rebecca Yu: and is Yeah, and I wrote it in Canada, so it's a PDF. 56:53 Clyde Forland: Okay. 56:55 Rebecca Yu: Yeah. 56:56 Clyde Forland: If you're willing to share, we would to take a look at it. I know I jinjin I don't know if you're okay because You are. 57:02 Rebecca Yu: I can't like write it up in an article because I'm planning to like just summarize the large playbook into like a threat or something. I can't, I can definitely do that. Yeah. 57:14 Clyde Forland: All right. Great. Great. Awesome. Well, Rebecca, you can stop sharing your screen. We are all done. Do you have any other questions or anything? You seriously. Thank you so much for your perspective and your time today. 57:28 Rebecca Yu: How can I did? I. Oh, okay. Okay. I don't, what would I'm actually really looking forward to learn more about this blockchain because I've heard of it and I have friends who work for it, but I don't know. Other things about it. 57:49 Clyde Forland: We're really excited to build it because we can't share all the goodies that are in store yet. But we're really excited to continue to work and iterate on this product and we would love to keep on to your contact information just to come and give you a just to kind of keep you in the loop. 58:05 Rebecca Yu: Yeah, great. Thank you. 58:07 Jianjian M: I just just Rebecca, you have heard 58:09 Rebecca Yu: Yes. 58:12 Jianjian M: about that, but is that because you have friends who work for Kadena, oh, 58:18 Rebecca Yu: Oh yeah. 58:20 Jianjian M: here about kadena in other channels. Or. 58:23 Rebecca Yu: Boats. Both. 58:27 Jianjian M: Like what kind of channels have you heard about kadina? And what kind of products on that chain? You like you had contact with 58:37 Rebecca Yu: Okay, so all I know is that this is a pretty big trend that has a lot of funding and had some lawsuits issue with SCC or something. And so actually, I don't know the 58:54 Rebecca Yu: projects on the blockchain actually and I know and I I know that they're trying really hard to build the ecosystem. That's all I know. But I don't know any like technical or Project info that's going on over there. Yeah. 59:12 Jianjian M: Just to explain a little bit because actually our community, which is technically community dollar. Socks. Also it's also part of that ecosystem and we, we aim to like, Meet our owner NFT to increase the community engagement. But in terms of the whole change stuff, it's we are also learning because it's really different from bitcoin ethereum. As you see that they're actually 20 trains, it's like braided to increase the scalability. 59:48 Jianjian M: um, yeah, it's it's also new for us and it's actually quite niche and that's why it also increased our difficulty to reach to study participants, like you, So thank you come, thank you more Rebecca, really. 01:00:04 Rebecca Yu: I think, if you guys want to like attract users through minting Nfts, okay, so I think most crypto projects they have like or have of the team is engaging in marketing. Marketing community grows. And if you I feel right now, the crypto participants are more. They're pretty young. I feel I'm the old one. They're like pretty young. They're a bunch of like high school kids. Going on there and They would like when it finished school, they would go home and help out on discord. Just so I think. 01:00:48 Rebecca Yu: Is really important to find the targeted audience. And then When you figure out what they like, just feed them with what they like and that's how to get their engagement because it's really time-consuming to do a community and Yeah, yeah. 01:01:08 Rebecca Yu: It's hard. 01:01:11 Jianjian M: Which is so much Rebecca. Thank you. Thank you. 01:01:14 Rebecca Yu: It's okay. 01:01:14 Clyde Forland: Thank you. Thank you. 01:01:16 Rebecca Yu: What to chat with you guys too. Yeah. 01:01:19 Clyde Forland: All right. Well thank you so much and we hope you have a awesome evening and a great, I think it's today's Wednesday. Hello great Thursday tomorrow, and get some awesome. 01:01:29 Rebecca Yu: Okay. 01:01:30 Clyde Forland: Awesome day. Absolutely. 01:01:31 Rebecca Yu: Okay. 01:01:36 Clyde Forland: I see you later. All right. 01:01:46 Jianjian M: Oh cool, may stop. 01:01:47 Clyde Forland: This one, thank you so much for your help. 01:01:51 Jianjian M: Yeah, I actually I I know that. It's it's it's definitely an issue. Um, what that's only clicking on the Drop Down menu that shows the number. But that's also a data point. 01:02:06 Jianjian M: I didn't want to do so, but it seems that she is really lost and it's not a good practice, but in order to just push forward, that's what I would choose to do. And that's also a pinpoint. 01:02:22 Clyde Forland: So this is a call about the end. Deal me to call you back.Co